As usual, all times Eastern and all predictions wrong.

11:00: Vanderbilt @ Wake Forest (ACCN): Whoo boy this week really got away from me. I’m going to rush to finish this while the early games are still going.

Noon:

• Notre Dame @ North Carolina State (ABC): ND?
• Nebraska @ Colorado (FOX): Buffs.
• Utah @ Baylor (ESPN): turns on TV, sees Utah losing what the heck Utes?!?
• Purdue @ Virginia Tech (ESPN2):  Trains.
• Troy @ Kansas State (FS1): K-State.
• Youngstown State @ Ohio State (BTN)
• James Madison @ Virginia (ESPNU): JMU?
• Ball State @ Georgia (SEC): UGA.
• Delaware State @ Army (CBSSN)
• Holy Cross @ Boston College (ESPNX/ESPN+)
• Delaware @ Pennsylvania State (Peacock)

1:00: South Carolina State @ Georgia Tech (ACCNX/ESPN+): So it turns out our game hasn’t actually started yet because it’s storming in Atlanta. So that gives me chance to write something quickly. It’s pretty much this: that second quarter was good. Everything else… not so much. Also a great demonstration of how much the previous administration cratered the program is this. I went to the same bar in Seattle I watched Geoff’s first game at in 2019. Now, that was a Thursday instead of a Friday, but regardless, the place was completely packed out. For Brent’s first game as the full-time guy? There were like maybe 10 of us. Yeah.

1:30: New Hampshire @ Central Michigan (ESPN+)

2:00: Eastern Illinois @ Bowling Green (ESPN+)

2:15: Charleston Southern @ Clemson (ACCN)

3:00:

• Southern Utah @ Brigham Young (ESPN+)
• Eastern Kentucky @ Kentucky (ESPN+)

3:30:

• Iowa @ Iowa State (“El Assico”; FOX): Okay, we’re through the early games, now on to the cutting, hard-hitting analysis you’ve come to expect from this site. So yeah, Iowa’s going to win this game, the question is what wacky score that is short of the 25 Brian Ferentz needs to keep his job.
• Nevada-Las Vegas @ Michigan (CBS): Michigan, please stop acting like your suspended head coach is dead. Sincerely, the entire rest of the college football internet.
• Texas A&M @ Miami (ABC): This is a bit of a statement game for both teams, in the sense that they both need to win to show that the plan, so to speak, is working. I think TAMU is better, but any result here wouldn’t surprise me.
• Mississippi @ Tulane (ESPN2): I think this is going to be a fun one. The Sugar Bowl champs face an old rival in New Orleans for the first time since 2010 and they have a legitimate chance to win for for the first time since 1988. That said, I don’t exactly expect it, as Ole Miss figures to just have too many weapons on offense.
• Richmond @ Michigan State (BTN)
• Texas-El Paso @ Northwestern (BTN): I wouldn’t advise watching this. Northwestern, I guess?
• Wagner @ Navy (CBSSN)
• Western Michigan @ Syracuse (ACCNX/ESPN+)
• Texas State @ Texas-San Antonio (ESPN+)
• Southern Illinois @ Northern Illinois (ESPN+)
• Texas Southern @ Toledo (ESPN+)
• Miami @ Massachusetts (ESPN+)

4:00:

• Marshall @ East Carolina (ESPNU): I have nothing to tell you about this game. Sorry.
• Kent State @ Arkansas (SEC): Womp.
• California Polytechnic @ San Jose State (NBCSBA)

5:00:

• Tulsa @ Washington (Pac12): UDub all the way here.
• Austin Peay @ Tennessee (ESPN+)
• Southeastern Louisiana @ South Alabama (ESPN+)

5:15: Appalachian State @ North Carolina (ACCN): Last year, this game was an absolutely barnburner, with UNC holding on for a 63-61 win. I suspect that… will not be the case this year.

6:00:

• Lafayette @ Duke (ACCNX/ESPN+)
• Ohio @ Florida Atlantic (ESPN+)
• Duquense @ West Virginia (ESPN+)
• Southern Methodist @ Oklahoma (ESPN+)
• Morgan State @ Akron (ESPN+)
• New Mexico State @ Liberty (ESPN+)
• Fordham @ Buffalo (ESPN+)
• Alabama-Birmingham @ Georgia Southern (ESPN+)
• Louisiana @ Old Dominion (ESPN+)

6:30:

• Cincinnati @ Pittsburgh (CW):
• North Texas @ Florida International (ESPN+)

7:00:

• Oregon @ Texas Tech (FOX): This one might be fun, but I don’t think TTU is quite there yet.
• Texas @ Alabama (ESPN): Ah, here we go. The helmet game of helmet games. This is a step up for both teams after cruising in Week 1, and it’ll be interesting to see if Texas can actually do the thing this year. That said, I think Bama at home will just be too much in the end.
• Central Florida @ Boise State (FS1): I almost typed that this should be a fun G5 vs. G5 matchup and then remembered UCF is in the Big 12 now. Sorry y’all! But yeah, the Gus bus should continue to roll.
• Houston @ Rice (NFL): Houston might be bad-bad but they’re not terrible enough to lose to Rice.
• Middle Tennessee State @ Missouri (ESPN+)
• Memphis @ Arkansas State (ESPN+)
• Jacksonville State @ Coastal Carolina (ESPN+)
• Connecticut @ Georgia State (ESPN+)
• Northwestern State @ Louisiana Tech (ESPN+)
• Houston Christian @ Western Kentucky (ESPN+)
• Florida A&M @ South Florida (ESPN+)

7:30:

• Wisconsin @ Washington State (ABC): Speaking of fun inter-sectional matchups… there should be some offense here! Wisky’s new Air Raid-ish offense goes on the road to Pullman, and Wazzu is no slouches themselves. I’ll take the Cougs at home.
• California-Los Angeles @ San Diego State (CBS): I don’t think the Aztecs can score enough points to win here.
• Charlotte @ Maryland (NBC): Terps.
• Eastern Michigan @ Minnesota (BTN): Gophers.
• Temple @ Rutgers (BTN): Rutgers.
• McNeese State @ Florida (ESPNU)
• Arizona @ Mississippi State (SEC): I think Arizona is kind of bad, so the Bulldogs should roll.
• Furman @ South Carolina (ESPN+)
• Grambling State @ Louisiana State (ESPN+)

8:00:

• Air Force vs. Sam Houston State (@Houston, TX; CBSSN): Falcons all the way here.
• Nicholls State @ Texas Christian (ESPN+)
• Lamar @ Louisiana-Monroe (ESPN+)

8:30: Southern Mississippi @ Florida State (ACCN): The Noles got a huge win last week against LSU. I suspect we won’t be taking much away from this one.

9:00: California-Davis @ Oregon State (Pac12)

10:30:

• Stanford @ Southern California (FOX): Time of the late night slate. First off, I don’t know how good or bad Stanford is, I know that USC’s defense is still bad, but at least against Stanford it shouldn’t matter.
• Auburn @ California (ESPN): I may be able to get over to Berkeley for this one. I have no read on either team so far. I’m picking Cal because that would be more fun both in general and specifically because it’s going to get the Auburn boosters restless again.
• Oklahoma State @ Arizona State (FS1): Oklahoma State should roll.

As usual, all times Eastern and all predictions wrong.

Saturday

Noon:

• Colorado @ Texas Christian (FOX): It’s the beginning of the Deion era in Boulder, and, well, it’s not going to be pretty.
• Virginia vs. Tennessee (@Nashville, TN; ABC): Speaking of name games that will probably be blowouts, well, there’s finally this one. The Joe Milton cannon arm jokes are already getting tired, but I doubt UVA is going to much to stop being from making them.
• Arkansas State @ Oklahoma (ESPN): Probably worth keeping an eye out to see if Oklahoma is still good at offense and at least a pulse on defense this year, at least when all the starters are still in.
• Utah State @ Iowa (FS1): I thought about having a “Brian Ferentz 25 Points Per Game” side bar, but regardless we’ll be keeping tabs. An opener against what will probably be a extremely moribund Utah Statee team is a good initial test. (And remember, defensive and special teams score count!)
• Fresno State @ Purdue (BTN): Fresno gets a very early test in the post-Jake Haener era that I actually like their chances at the upset in. Might be worth keeping an eye on.
• Louisiana Tech @ Southern Methodist (ESPNU): SMU.
• Ball State @ Kentucky (SEC): Kentucky.
• Northern Illinois @ Boston College (ACCN): I won’t watch this game because I’ll be busy, but you probably shouldn’t either.
• Bowling Green @ Liberty (CBSS): Liberty has a new coach who should bring the party to the next level on offense. BGSU doesn’t stand much of a chance.
• East Carolina @ Michigan (Peacock)

1:00: Northern Iowa @ Iowa State (ESPN+)

2:00:

• Akron @ Temple (ESPN+)
• Long Island @ Ohio (ESPN+)
• East Tennessee State @ Jacksonville State (ESPN+)
• Mercer @ Mississippi (ESPN+)

3:00: Portland State @ Oregon (Pac12)

3:30:

• Boise State @ Washington (ABC): The Peterson Bowl! That said, this Boise team likely isn’t up to the standards of classic, Chris Peterson-era Boise yet, and Washington’s offense figures to be prolific. But I probably won’t doubt Boise unless it’s just a blowout at the half.
• Tennessee State @ Notre Dame (NBC)
• Ohio State @ Indiana (CBS): “9windiana” is the dream, but, well, one of those 9 wins won’t be this one. But that said, come for the dissonance of hearing the CBS college football theme with their A announcers call their first Big Ten game in year one of the new TV deal.
• Rice @ Texas (FOX): When most of the previews of this game I’ve heard either mention the speech (which I’ve talked about several times over the years, most recently here) or that the most interesting aspect of this may be whether or Arch Manning (yes, of those Mannings) makes an appearance in the second half.
• Massachusetts @ Auburn (ESPN): While we all agree it will be hilarious for Hugh Freeze to lose this game they just… won’t. That said, they gotta go to Berkeley next week…
• Buffalo @ Wisconsin (FS1): Do not adjust your TV screens: yes that is the Wisconsin Badgers slingin’ it like a Mike Leach team. Okay, it probably won’t be that extreme, but look for them to practice some passing over what figures to be an overmatched Buffalo team.
• Towson @ Maryland (BTN)
• Wofford @ Pittsburgh (ACCN)
• South Florida @ Western Kentucky (CBSS): WKU.
• Eastern Kentucky @ Cincinnati (ESPN+)
• Gardner-Webb @ Appalachian State (ESPN+)

4:00:

• California @ North Texas (ESPNU): Speaking of the Bears, they’re on the road to Denton this week. While they have no business losing this game, I can’t completely discount it.
• Southeastern Louisiana @ Mississippi State (SEC)
• Colgate @ Syracuse (ACCNX)
• Western Illinois @ Arkansas (@Little Rock, AR; ESPN+)

6:00:

• Tennessee-Martin @ Georgia (ESPN+)
• South Carolina State @ Charlotte (ESPN+)
• Monmouth @ Florida Atlantic (ESPN+)
• Bucknell @ James Madison (ESPN+)
• The Citadel @ Georgia Southern (ESPN+)
• Albany @ Marshall (ESPN+)

6:30:

• Nevada @ Southern California (Pac12): Once again, it’s the “Is the USC Defense Actually Better This Year?” challenge. At least based on last week’s results against San Jose State, the answer is kind of “nope!” Nevada figures to be less of a challenge, but the Wolf Pack are still moving the ball easily some tough questions need to be asked down in LA.
• Maine @ Florida International (ESPN+)

7:00:

• New Mexico @ Texas A&M (ESPN): While the Aggies firing Jimbo at this point is unfathomable, they really need to look pretty good in this game. Not that New Mexico is much of a threat, but this has gotta be like a 45-10 scoreline.
• Texas-San Antonio @ Houston (FS1): I’ve seen this called a “budding rivalry” elsewhere but I’ll have to take their word for it. It is unfortunate though that will be moot after this game. Either way, speaking of coaches who need to show something, Dana Holgerson has to show that the Cougars can compete in the Big 12, and taking care of the Meeps right here would be a good way to do that.
• Washington State @ Colorado State (CBSS): It’s a bit uncertain for Wazzu this year, but a rebuilding Colorado State shouldn’t give them much of an issue on the road.
• Army @ Louisiana-Monroe (NFL): It’ll be a new-look Army team: they’ll be running a more spread-option type system this year as opposed to the flexbone look they’ve sported for the better part of the last two decades. I suspect it’ll be a bit of an adjustment, but ULM should probably a give them a chance to make it.
• Alabama A&M @ Vanderbilt (ESPN+)
• Stephen F. Austin @ Troy (ESPN+)
• Alcorn State @ Southern Mississippi (ESPN+)
• Central Arkansas @ Oklahoma State (ESPN+)
• Southeast Missouri State @ Kansas State (ESPN+)
• Bethume-Cookman @ Memphis (ESPN+)
• Texas State @ Baylor (ESPN+)

7:30:

• South Carolina vs. North Carolina (Duke’s Mayo Classic @ Charlotte, NC; ABC): This one could get pointsy, but the Gamecocks’s ability to play, like, any defense at all will probably see them win out.
• West Virginia @ Pennsylvania State (NBC): I admire the ‘Neers playing their Appalachian colleagues but I don’t see them having much of a chance in this one.
• Texas Tech @ Wyoming (CBS): The Red Raiders head up to Laramie, and I suspect will be in for a bit of a bad time.
• Toledo @ Illinois (BTN): The Illni will be fine in this one.
• Middle Tennessee State @ Alabama (SEC): As will the Tide.
• Northwestern State @ Louisiana (ESPN+)

8:00:

• South Alabama @ Tulane (ESPNU): USA’s helmets feature “The Home of Mardi Gras” on the back, which will definitely lead to some raised eyebrows, but if you’re from that part of the country you know that Mobile has always had a bone to pick with New Orleans about Mardi Gras. That said while USA is improving, the Sugar Bowl champs should win this one.
• Old Dominion @ Virginia Tech (ACCN): It’s going to be a long season for VPI, but they should get this one.

9:00:

• Incarnate Word @ Texas-El Paso (ESPN+)
• Western Illinois @ New Mexico State (ESPN+)

10:00: Northern Arizona @ Arizona (Pac12)

10:15: Sam Houston State @ Brigham Young (FS1): Welcome to FBS, Sam Houston State! Naturally, they get to play a bunch of grown men who will be more than happy to properly introduce them to the top level of the sport.

10:30:

• Coastal Carolina @ California-Los Angeles (ESPN): Coastal seems to have an “anytime, anywhere” philosophy and we’re here for it. I suspect so will the Bruins.
• Idaho State @ San Diego State (CBSS)

Sunday

Noon: Northwestern @ Rutgers (CBS): This is definitely a bit of an eyebrow raiser for the Big Ten on CBS to start with. Especially given that it’ll probably be a Rutgers blowout.

3:30: Oregon State @ San Jose State (CBS): If you’re in or around the part of the college football Internet I am, then you know that we all kinda want the Beavs to really stick it to the rest of the Pac-12 this season. While SJSU gave USC fits last weekend, the Beavs can actually play defense and should be able to keep this one under control.

7:30: Louisiana State vs. Florida State (Camping World Kickoff @ Orlando, FL; ABC): And the most helmet game of the weekend gets the Sunday primetime slot. Both of these teams have aspirations, but I feel like LSU is the better team with a better coach. It should be a good one though.

Monday

8:00: Clemson @ Duke (ESPN): Speaking of national title aspirations, the Tigers hope to be back in the picture this season, and this should lay a sound foundation.

Okay, a quick note about how the weekend previews work. For starters, we started this as a watch guide. So the idea is to relay when games are on and give you (the reader) an idea of what’s good and what’s maybe worth doing the dishes during. Here’s the basic format:

• The time
• The matchup, with FCS teams in italics (and note that usually FCS vs. FCS games are omitted, and previews will not be provided for almost all FCS games)
• The title of the game, if it has one
• The location of the game, if it’s not a home game
• The network or streaming service the game is available on (note that streaming games will not have previews)
• And the preview, subject to the conditions above

Hopefully that made sense!

As usual, all times Eastern and all predictions wrong.

2:30: Navy vs. Notre Dame (@Dublin, Ireland; NBC): Once again, the Irish champion will be decided. Last year, Northwestern defeated Nebraska, resulting in the somewhat hilarious stat that Northwestern was 1-0 in Ireland and 0-11 everywhere else. While great things aren’t projected for the Midshipmen this year, it’s safe to say they probably won’t go 0-for-North America.

3:30: Mercer vs. North Alabama (FCS Kickoff @ Montgomery, AL; ESPN)

5:30: Texas-El Paso @ Jacksonville State (CBSS): Welcome to FBS, Jacksonvile State! It will often bear repeating the next few years that they are a school in Jacksonville, AL and not the much larger city to the southeast of them. Either way, while UTEP’s fate is uncertain this year, the Miners are favorites here.

7:00:

• Massachusetts @ New Mexico State (ESPN): UMass is still independent, but the Aggies are back in the new look CUSA (officially without the dash this year, by the way). While neither of these teams is exactly good, things look good for the home team here.
• Ohio @ San Diego State (FS1): Hopefully the Bobcats enjoy the weather down in San Diego, because they’re not especially likely to enjoy this matchup.

7:30:

• Hawaii @ Vanderbilt (SEC): Speaking of home teams, Vanderbilt’s finally revamping their home field, which is one the few places other than Bobby Dodd Stadium I’ve ever seen a college football game. And, well, by any conference’s standard, much less the SEC’s, it was sorely needed. At any rate, we’re talking about the stadium here because the action on the field… not so much. The Dores should roll.
• South Carolina State vs. Jackson State (MEAC/SWAC Challenge @ Atlanta, GA; ABC)

8:00: San Jose State @ Southern California (Pac12): Naturally, USC’s last season in the Pac-12 sees them kick off on the Pac-12 Network, which basically no one (other than me, apparently) gets. At any rate, this Spartan-on-Trojan violence will likely have a fairly predictable outcome.

9:00: Florida International @ Louisiana Tech (CBSS): Finally, we have… no idea how to project this one. This starts at 6PM Pacific, so this might be the only one of these games I actually get to watch live, so it’ll be on. Going with the Techies out of Ruston, LA just out of solidarity, I suppose.

 

As usual, all times Eastern and all predictions wrong.

Friday

7:00: Samford @ North Dakota State (NCAA Division I Championship Quarterfinal; ESPN2)

10:15: William & Mary @ Montana State (NCAA Division I Championship Quarterfinal; ESPN2)

10:30: Incarnate Word @ Sacramento State (NCAA Division I Championship Quarterfinal; ESPN+)

Saturday

Noon:

• Holy Cross @ South Dakota State (NCAA Division I Championship Quarterfinal; ESPN)
• West Florida @ Ferris State (NCAA Division II Championship Semifinal; ESPN+)
• Wartburg @ Mount Union (NCAA Division III Championship Semifinal; ESPN+)

3:00: Army vs. Navy (@Philadelphia, PA; CBS): Y’all I want to talk about the Netherlands-Argentina game I just watched, but that’s not what we’re here for. What we are here for instead is one of the great rivalries in sports playing in one of the best atmospheres. I think Army has been better on the season, even with Navy showing some signs of life I think cadets from West Point will get it. That said, these games of late have all been tight and low scoring, and I expect more of the same here.

3:30:

• Shepherd @ Colorado School of Mines (NCAA Division II Championship Semifinal; ESPN+)
• Mary Hardin-Baylor @ North Central (NCAA Division III Championship Semifinal; ESPN+)

As usual, all times Eastern and all predictions wrong.

Friday

1:00: Akron @ Buffalo (ESPN+)

8:00:

• Utah vs. Southern California (Pac-12 Championship Game @ Paradise, NV; FOX): By all rights, it should really be Washington versus USC here, but unfortunately the Huskies lost a conference game they shouldn’t have, so here we are. Typically, you’d expect Utah to play irascible defense along with an offense that grounds opponents into a fine powder. However, this season they’re just a touch off of where they were last year, and given the firepower at USC’s disposable the Trojans figure to cruise into the playoff once they get everything up and running.
• North Texas @ Texas-San Antonio (Conference USA Championship Game; CBSS): Good for UNT for making it, but this figures to be UTSA’s show all the way.

Saturday

Noon:

• Kansas State vs. Texas Christian (Big 12 Championship Game @ Arlington, TX; ABC): A lot of the country figures to be up early for the Netherlands-USA knockout stage game in the World Cup on Saturday. (I live on the West Coast, so I am personally dreading what I will need to do to be ready for a 7am kickoff, but such is life.) Naturally, that game should end close enough to this one to provide a natural place to flip the channel. TCU has perhaps been college football’s most “getting away with it” team this season, and the field goal fire drill they pulled off to Baylor only cemented this in everyone’s mind. K-State is, of course, always the perpetual spoiler in the Big 12, and I definitely rate a higher chance of an upset here than in the Pac-12. Shouts out especially to K-State’s latest iteration of Darren Sproles: Deuce Vaughn, listed at 5’6″ and 176 pounds. Despite his best efforts, I suspect this will be TCU’s game to lose.
• Ohio vs. Toledo (Mid-American Championship @ Detroit, MI; ESPN): Toledo should win this, but on paper Toledo should win pretty much every MAC game. Plus, they have a reputation of losing the MAC Championship in brutal fashion, sort of like how Clemson used to do when “Clemsoning” was a thing. So I’m picking them, but there’s some caveats.
• New Hampshire @ Holy Cross (NCAA Division I Championship Second Round; ESPN+)

2:00:

• Furman @ Incarnate Word (NCAA Division I Championship Second Round; ESPN+)
• Gardner-Webb @ William & Mary (NCAA Division I Championship Second Round; ESPN+)

3:00:

• Valparaiso @ New Mexico State (Flofootball)
• Southeastern Louisiana @ Samford (NCAA Division I Championship Second Round; ESPN+)
• Weber State @ Montana State (NCAA Division I Championship Second Round; ESPN+)
• Delaware @ South Dakota State (NCAA Division I Championship Second Round; ESPN+)

3:30:

• Coastal Carolina @ Troy (Sun Belt Championship; ESPN): Troy has been sneaky good all year, considering that the most anyone has seen of them was that time App State threw a Hail Mary on them to win. They’ve been excellent outside of that, and with CCU’s quarterback likely out and their coach perhaps departing for greener pastures (monetarily, at least, because their turf is already their own shade of green) this looks like it’s finally time for Troy to shine.
• Montana @ North Dakota State (NCAA Division I Championship Second Round; ESPN+)

4:00:

• Fresno State @ Boise State (Mountain West Championship; FOX): The Mountain West has been… kind of bad this year, but at least the two best teams are in the title game. Naturally, a game in Boise this time year obliges one to check to see if it’s going to snow. While it’ll be plenty cold, snow isn’t really in the forecast. Regardless, Boise’s been the best team in the league all year, and I’m not sure why they’d stop now.
• Louisiana State vs. Georgia (Southeastern Championship @ Atlanta, GA; CBS): Few were happier than to me than to see that UGA was kinda sleepy last weekend, letting my beloved Yellow Jackets hang around with a hope for way too long before we kind of took ourselves out of it. By my reckoning, that’s sort of the third time this season that UGA has played with their food to a point where their own fans probably started getting a bit uncomfortable. Will playing in front of what figures to be a wildly pro-“dawg” crowd against a deflated LSU team get them to fire on all cylinders from the jump? Despite losing to Texas A&M last weekend, LSU still isn’t terrible, and I can’t count out that they may start feeling their oats a little bit. Anyway, that’s a lot of metaphors the past few sentences, so let’s bring this home: I don’t think UGA is going to have any issues here, but if they look like they did against Mizzou, Kentucky, and us, there’ll be reason to watch this.
• Central Florida @ Tulane (American Championship; ABC): This could well be the most evenly matched of the game we’ve looked at so far, at least on paper. UCF did beat Tulane during the season, but regardless they’ll be back in New Orleans and a rematch figures to benefit the Green Wave. I suspect I’ll be watching this, but I also suspect UCF will wind up winning.
• Southern @ Jackson State (Southwest Championship; ESPN2)

5:00: Richmond @ Sacramento State (NCAA Division I Championship Second Round; ESPN+)

8:00:

• North Carolina vs. Clemson (Atlantic Coast Championship @ Charlotte, NC; ABC): The vibes around this game already weren’t great before UNC and Clemson lost to rivals last weekend. While I still have Clemson winning, their offense looks so limited that if UNC gets up a couple scores it could well be the Tar Heels heading to the Orange Bowl.
• Purdue vs. Michigan (Big Ten Championship @ Indianapolis, IN; FOX): The Wolverines did it again. And in a lot of ways, they look better than last year’s team that dealt with Iowa in this game by a 42-3 margin. Purdue isn’t as limited as Iowa is offensively, but nonetheless I won’t be surprised if this game winds up with a similar margin. Wonder if the entire maize and blue crowd have a song for this season to sing as time winds down at the end?